Monday, 20 November 2017
For those who may not realise, The Stonewall is a gay pub on Oxford St in Sydney. Polly has been part of Oxford St for decades, Christine Forster is Tony Abbott's gay sister, and Dean Smith is the gay Liberal senator from Western Australia and author of the consensus marriage equality bill presented in the federal senate last week. Quite a thing for them all to be together like that.
Both Lyle Shelton and Miranda Devine have been called out by the Mayor of Sydney's inner west for supporting the christian vandals that are attacking art work around the inner west.
Called "Christian Lives Matter" they are religious extremists who won't accept the results of the national postal survey, coming from the 12 seat block in western Sydney that voted No to create trouble in Newton, a big gay area of Sydney.
Shelton and Devine should absolutely be ashamed of themselves for supporting a group that is threatening violence to LGBT in the inner west.
I applaud these young Christians for their courage. More, not less courage will be required in the days ahead. And (scroll down), wedding service providers are already being targeted by 🏳️🌈 activists. Thx @mirandadevine for bringing this to light. https://t.co/PPTBrWKS67— Lyle Shelton (@LyleShelton) November 18, 2017
|Westie idiots religious nutters censored this, painting it black|
I have stood up for minorities all my life. If you persecute and hate them you may well one day find yourself in one. Old people who get discriminated against and can't get a job because they're either old or disabled. Young people being trashed by this gov in work-for-the-dole slave labour when there's no job's. Muslims when the gov demonises them for political gain. Asylum seekers who they've labelled as criminals.
In such a case I think it would be only natural for fellow minorities to support us LGBT minority. But in western Sydney, not even that far from where I live in the east, you didn't. You fucked us over in western Sydney in a cluster of 12 seats voting up to 74% No against David and I's love.
Fuck your bible. Fuck your Koran. Fuck your stupid "cultural" excuses. Australia has comprehensively rejected them all. What you need to do now is get over it and get over yourselves. Australia is a place of multiculturalism and diversity. If you can't accept that then why did you come here? I'm from New Zealand and an immigrant too BTW. I didn't come here bringing religion and prejudice.
Western Sydney has long been a thorn in the side of gay Sydney in the east. You've ruined Oxford st making it into what is probably the most policed area in Sydney. You come in here time after time, making trouble and bashing us as we leave gay pubs. The result is over policing, the gay pubs getting a reputation for violence because of your misbehavour, and leading to the lockout laws that have fucked up everything.
Fuck you. You lost homophobes. Suck lemons (being polite there). Drag you knuckle dragging heads into this bloody century.
And don't come come in to our space and censor our legal art. Just fuck off assholes.
Sunday, 19 November 2017
|By artist Scott Marsh|
The people who painted over this with black paint weren't even local to Sydney's Newtown district, which is one of the biggest gay areas in Sydney. They accuse it of being "porn" even though the artwork has been shown in full in news reports with no pixelation at all (including the one below). So they used rollers to paint over it in black paint.
The irony that the No side were the ones carrying on about freedom of speech escape them. Here they are censoring art because religion.
They also were still banging on that it's wrong for two men to be married because the bible. They don't seem to realise they lost the debate in the survey fair and square. They need to just get over it.
Talk about a sore loser. Canavan should grow a spine and accept defeat. Even Abbott has said he will now support marriage equality, along with dopey Dutton. Both have been stalwarts against gay marriage for decades, with Abbott even traveling to the US on two occasions to speak against it at the hate group Alliance Defending Freedom.
Canavan however just won't give up.
Matt Canavan, a Queensland Nationals senator who opposes gay marriage, argues listening to constituents is unprincipled, after a $122 million postal vote survey showed 61.6 per cent support for redefining matrimony.
'You’ve got to be genuine and hold to your convictions,' he told Sky News on Sunday.
'This idea that somehow you should change your fundamental principles and views because a majority of people in your electorate may not agree with you, I find that diminishes the credibility of politicians. You’ve got to be authentic.' Daily Mail
Saturday, 18 November 2017
|Shelton's worst nightmare gets ever closer :)|
Said fringe dwelling extremist of the ACL don't even represent mainstream Christians let alone mainstream Australian's. Unless they've had a major hiring drive they'd still only have the same amount of full time employees as last year, being only eleven. I assume Shelton's influence over the gov stems from him once being a National party candidate in Queensland and a political advisor to Barnaby Joyce.
In any case such a drafting of legislation by an extremist group such as the ACL says volumes about the far right nutters in the gov. Not to mention it being completely inappropriate and wrong in a secular state. You can't have a religious body of whatever ilk writing legislation in a country such as Australia. Un-fuckin-believable!
In the dying days of the campaign, when it became increasingly likely that “Yes” would triumph, one of Abbott’s mates from the Institute of Public Affairs, Senator James Paterson, gave flesh to the sort of political correctness they wanted to reject. And that is the political correctness that says it is unacceptable and illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of gender, race, religion or sexuality.
MPs who worked with Paterson on the committee looking at section 18c of the Racial Discrimination Act say he is a zealot in wanting to abolish all safeguards against discrimination. His libertarian world view sees it as nanny state intrusion. So while claiming he voted “Yes” in the survey, he came up with a bill, prepared for him by the Australian Christian Lobby, that would dramatically extend “freedom of religion” into a much broader “freedom to discriminate” against homosexuals.
The bill came up with a new concept of “relevant belief”. You don’t have to be even a minister of religion or an adherent of any religion, providing you have a conscientious belief that gays should not have the same rights as everybody else. It was that bad. Even for Paterson, the penny dropped – at least it did after a meeting with Turnbull. Late on Wednesday afternoon he gave up trying to introduce his bill. He will now attempt to heavily amend his colleague Dean Smith’s bill. Apart from time-wasting it will be a doomed undertaking. Turnbull and Bill Shorten won’t be alone in resisting any winding back of Australia’s anti-discrimination laws. The Saturday Paper
Friday, 17 November 2017
The other day I came across a Tweet by a No campaigner who was asserting that gay marriage would mean more people would "catch AIDS". Such has been the sheer ignorance and lies from the No side.
I replied in the usual manner to such ignorance; that you can't "catch AIDS" as it's a condition that develops without taking meds, and that I'd been HIV undetectable for years which means I can't pass it on even in unsafe sex (yes that's right in study after study).
So for people who still stigmatize us with HIV then this video is for you.
Well well well. It seems the RWNJ's have been rather stunned by the strength of the Yes vote in the postal survey that they designed to fail. I suspect many of those who went on the electoral role just to vote in the survey were doing it out of sheer frustration at the gov continually blocking LGBT equality. The resulting Yes vote was nothing less than a huge slap in the face for the RWNJ's in their delusional world where they think the majority of the public supports them.
Now they appear to be slowly giving up on throwing a spanner in the works of the Dean Smith bill by putting up endless religious protections and are instead in favour of a completely separate bill for religious exemptions to be put up next year. It looks like even they realise their support against marriage equality never existed as they imagined and it's now untenable tor them to block and delay equality after the public voted yes in the survey the conservatives demanded.
There was no "silent majority" of those against marriage equality. It was nothing more than a figment of conservative imagination.
Leading conservative cabinet minister Peter Dutton has intervened in the debate about same-sex marriage laws, slapping down calls for sweeping changes to senator Dean Smith's proposed legislation but suggesting a new "religious protections" bill may be introduced in 2018.
And Treasurer Scott Morrison has also indicated he would also back a new "religious protections" bill, telling Fairfax Media that "right now we should deal with same-sex marriage, but wherever there is a chance to back religious protections, I will do so".
Senator Smith, one of the architects of the same-sex marriage law that Parliament began debating on Thursday, suggested amendments designed to offer legal exemptions for religious groups and organisations may better fit elsewhere in " the legal architecture of our country".
The comments from Mr Dutton and Mr Morrison, two senior conservative figures in the Turnbull government, who both supported a "no" vote, suggest opposition to same-sex marriage is evaporating. Sydney Morning Herald
Whilst Australia celebrates the yes vote winning the postal survey on marriage, people are asking WTF is going on in western Sydney> Out of 17 electorates across Australia that individually voted No, 12 of them are in western Sydney. The electorate of Blaxland being the highest No vote in the country at 74%. Eastern Sydney on the other hand voted nearly 84% Yes.
Thursday, 16 November 2017
|Lyle's worse nightmare closer to reality|
Those in the failed No camp have already started raving on that you can't ignore the 38% of people who voted no. If so WTF was the point of having the survey in the first place? The survey that they wanted. I know for sure if the Yes vote only got 38% to the No's 61%, the No camp would definitely be ignoring us.
Wednesday, 15 November 2017
Gay Liberal senator of WA Dean Smith has wasted no time and introduced his consensus marriage equality bill into the senate today (transcript of his speech below).
At the same time the conservatives marriage discrimination bill (that would have seen David and I being refused service by commercial businesses, against current state anti-discrimination law) has been abandoned for lack of support, even within the Liberal party itself. The anti-marriage equality brigade now favour putting up amendments to the Dean Smith bill. Such amendments would be subject to parliamentary debate and scrutiny, and any such amendments that transgress anti-discrimination law would be extremely likely to fail. The far right may have Turnbull by the balls but they don't have the parliament, particularly the senate where the gov is in a minority.
The resounding Yes vote has been a huge blow to the RWNJ's in the gov and they now have no choice but to capitulate to the verdict of the postal survey that they demanded of us. The pressure is on by the leaders of the gov to get marriage equality over and done with and out of the way as a pending election issue. Turnbull is even saying against the wishes of the right that it will happen by Christmas. Has he finally found his balls?
No, I'm not at all thankful to the Liberal and National party coalition for this. This has been far far far too long in coming with David and I's life being used by the coalition to address their internal problems of entrenched homophobia. The LGBT have been put through the wringer over years, repeatedly attempting to get the parliament to act only to have our efforts shot down in flames. Yes Labor rejected marriage equality too a few years back but at least they've learned and modernised their position. This gov has been the most recalcitrant and hardline opponents of gays in decades.
As was expected the postal survey showed the bleeding obvious, that Australians well and truly want David and I to be able to marry. Polling year after year has shown this. It was the far right of the gov that insisted on this divisive and hurtful postal survey when much more accurate polls were already showing what Australian's thought.
However despite all their efforts at obfuscation and demonising the LGBT as not worthy of marriage, despite the scare campaign by the Australian Christian Lobby about "radical" sex "theory", it all came to nought for them. The postal survey result of 61% in favour of marriage equality was exactly where it was at the start of the survey campaign. Australians didn't buy Lyle's lies.
It's not over yet though. Abbott and co just refuse to give up and are continuing to push for religious exemptions outside of churches for commercial businesses to discriminate against gay people, setting us back decades. It's highly unlikely the bill will be adopted, but the fact that they're even trying it says volumes about their ideology.
The survey has also come at a cost to the LGBT. For two months we've had to endure online hate speech against us with fringe dwellers being given licence to "have their say" in the survey. Calls to LGBT help lines have hugely increased during this time, reflecting the harm that has been caused. For some the hate experienced in this survey will be with them for years to come.
Yes, we celebrate Australia voting for our love. At the same time though we know what we've been put through to get this far and how unnecessary it has been. If not for the present gov standing in our way every last step of the way we'd have had marriage equality years ago. Instead the gov has been more like an ideological brick wall than elected representatives put there to serve us. We'll never forget Turnbull's spinlessness and the entrenched homophobia within the coalition. I don't know how anybody could vote for such a spiteful and cruel group of people as them.
But for now we take the survey as a victory to shove in the face of the No people. We fought and won in the face of enormous adversity and we should all feel very proud of that. Despite the cost, we prevailed. The No voters can all go suck lemons.
|Polling over the years supporting marriage equality (click to enlarge)|
James Paterson won't introduce his controversial marriage bill after all, says "It is clear the majority of senators believe my colleague Senator Dean Smith's Bill is where we should start." pic.twitter.com/SdbepSZ0NY— Josh Butler (@JoshButler) November 15, 2017
Tuesday, 14 November 2017
Perhaps with Turnbull currently in Manila, he's far enough away from the RWNJ's in his gov to feel he can speak more freely. Certainly this is out of character for jellyfish Turnbull to make such aggressive comments about the latest RWNJ abomination that is their new marriage discrimination bill.
Or perhaps he's just finally had a gutful of them? After all he's acquiesced to their every demand so far on marriage equality, even going so far as to implement the postal survey that nobody wanted and at a huge cost to taxpayers in a time of supposed budget restraint. Now with the RWNJ's trying to kick the can further down the road by throwing up this abominable proposed marriage discrimination law, after Turnbull has previously stated marriage equality will "sail through the parliament" with a Yes vote, and with him wanting the issue finally dealt with to stop the carpet bombing of his gov by the opposition and frustrated voters, he's just had enough?
In any case Turnbull is scathing of the proposed conservative marriage bill which if implemented would legalise discrimination against gays by commercial businesses.
On Monday Turnbull described the Smith bill as a good starting point, and at a press conference in Manila on Tuesday he went further, warning: “I don’t believe Australians would welcome, and certainly the government would not countenance, making legal discrimination that is illegal, that is unlawful, today.”
Asked about a bill that would allow businesses to say “no gay weddings serviced here” – in reference to Paterson’s proposal – Turnbull said: “I think it would have virtually no prospect of getting through the parliament.”
Smith based his bill on the recommendations of a Senate committee inquiry. It is co-signed by four Liberal supporters of marriage equality, enjoys support from Labor and qualified support from the Greens, who intend to seek amendments.
On Tuesday Bill Shorten promised to work with Turnbull to legislate marriage equality “as soon as possible” after a yes vote, saying Labor would “give the numbers along with those in the government who support it, to stare down the conservatives seeking to delay marriage equality”. The Guardian
James Paterson MP. Wants to make discrimination against gays federal law https://t.co/hvMVxFVQsb pic.twitter.com/eoWPLfaeVg— Peter Hiv (@HivPeter) November 14, 2017
An incredulous Karl Stefanovic of the Today show this morning interviewed attorney general George Brandis on the subject of the conservative marriage bill they want to introduce into parliament for debate. Stefanovic, understandably, seemed gobsmacked by the idea that in 2017 people in the gov were proposing laws that would see gays refused service in shops because they're gay, saying "What is this, the 60's?"
If the RWNJ's thought they were going to get support from Brandis to defend their discriminatory bill they were severely disappointed. I'm no fan of "it's OK to be a bigot" Brandis, but very occasionally he does get something right. As he did on this occasion.
You can watch the video of the exchange at the link.
“My own view is that people, like ministers of religion, should not be obliged to conduct a ceremony of marriage against the teachings or doctrines of their church and Senator Dean Smith’s bill does provide an exemption of that kind,” he said.
“The exemption can’t be so wide that it basically throws in the bin the whole of anti-discrimination law.”
When asked by TODAY co-host Karl Stefanovic about inclusions in a bill drafted by conservative Liberal senator James Paterson, which would give business owners the right to refuse service to gay people, Mr Brandis said the legislation would be “morally wrong”.
“It’s already against the law,” Senator Brandis said. “If you are a gay man or a gay woman and you go into a florist and say ‘I’d like to buy a bunch of flowers’, it’s just wrong and illegal for florist to say ‘I don’t’ serve gay people’ just as it would be wrong or illegal for the florist to say to an indigenous person ‘I don’t serve indigenous people’.
“If it’s legally and morally wrong to discriminate against one gay person, I don’t know how it becomes right to discriminate against two.” Nine News *watch video at the link